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    The role of listening in business – is it really new?
    posted by Bret Clement at



    Hip tomes like Groundswell (2007), The Clue Train Manifesto (1999) and even a recent webinar done by monitoring service Radian6, all point to the importance of corporate listening. It’s seen as one of the foundational components of social media strategies.



    A few quotes:
    • “What is listening in the Groundswell – it is learning what your customers are saying. It’s tapping into that conversation. They are talking about your company, if you can listen, the information can flow back into your company.” – Forrester research vice president Josh Bernoff and co-author of Groundswell.
    • “And if a company is genuinely confused about what it is, there’s an easy way to find out: listen to what your market says you are.” Clue Train Manifesto, 1999
    • “Marketers are trained to do nothing but talk. Listening is not part of the traditional marketing profession.” Paul Gillen, Paul Gillen Communications, 2008 Radian6 webinar

    I actually disagree a bit with Gillen’s take. The best marketers over time have been great and unapologetic listeners.

    For example, in 1991, Regis McKenna, the legendary PR and marketing consultant who helped launch brands such as Apple – wrote “a feedback loop is making advertising's one-way communication obsolete.” Blogger and VC Brad Feld paraphrased this idea here in 2007:

    Today, it’s more than listening. It’s active listening. Companies need to hear, analyze and engage in the uncontrolled conversations that are taking place about your company and your market. It’s analyzing what is being said and using that information to improve your brand.

    At Page One PR we do more than listen. Sure, we use tools to monitor. We build the strategy and plan for how we respond. And we analyze the information in a way that is packaged back to various stakeholders to our clients. Product managers listen for one thing. Marketing and advertising folks listen for something else. Crisis communication folks listen for something different.

    One of our clients LogLogic had marketing guru Andy Lark work there for a period of time. Lark is now at Dell – which is one of the most acclaimed big businesses in terms of how it participates in uncontrolled conversations. Its entire business infrastructure is set up around active listening. Dell community members directly impact new product functionality. They help create ads. Heck, community members even help each other with customer service.

    At our agency, we see the power of listening and engaging with our client’s communities – we don’t see it as new, but we do see it as a foundational component of any company committed to success.

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    Blogger BP said...

    Hey Bret!

    Nice post.

    I'd actually suggest you call it, "Active Listening, Immediate Action".

    As you point out with Dell (and there are other examples), that listening has to have an associated action along with it. Too many companies are paralyzed by just doing the listening.

    September 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM  
    Blogger Bret Clement said...

    Completely agree with you Bill. I met former colleagues last week who are now involved in social media at Fortune 500 companies. They, like a lot of companies we talk to, sign up for (or inherit) social media tracking services from Radian6, BuzzMetrics, etc.

    Without a plan though - those basic reports (which are good, but should not be the only tools for monitoring) die a lonely death inside a company.

    Active listening means you have plans on how to engage with the community. That means you get involved in the dialogue. You listen AND engage.

    September 15, 2008 at 12:21 PM  
    Blogger David Alston said...

    Great point Bret. I also love one of Stephen Covey's 7 habits - "seek first to understand then to be understood". Basically it all starts with effective listening, followed by learning, connecting, contributing and then maybe, once you have the earned the right, telling your own story. Social media reminds us about how humans generally want to be treated - to be understood.

    Great post.
    David Alston
    Radian6

    September 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM  
    Blogger Craig Oda said...

    Bret, I wonder if the term active listening will become common? It does imply that a different type of listening is required for social media monitoring. However, I'm wondering if people will make the jump in understanding to realize that it might imply listening and responding, or as you say, "enagaging."

    I don't agree with Paul Gillen. I think marketers are trained to listen. I used to be VP of product marketing for a startup and our team would spend a large portion of our time trying to interact with our customers and potential customers. I think that the main difference is that now there are so many more ways to interact with customers.

    It requires more organization of messages and more distribution of the power and authorization to communicate messages back to the public.

    September 15, 2008 at 2:14 PM  
    Blogger BP said...

    The markets are a mess and I am about to agree with Craig - armageddon is nigh! ;-)

    Gillen is wrong.

    To Craig's point:

    "It requires more organization of messages and more distribution of the power and authorization to communicate messages back to the public."

    I'd add: "And it requires a marketer who is an active listener to take lessons-learned messages and make them their (the company's) own."

    September 16, 2008 at 7:38 AM  
    Blogger Craig Oda said...

    Bill, you make a great point:

    "And it requires a marketer who is an active listener to take lessons-learned messages and make them their (the company's) own."


    There are two things that I'm thinking about:

    1) The new type of social media marketer needs to create a more sophisticated feedback loop between the customer and manufacturer of a product. In addition to the need to join the conversation with individuals online, the new marketer also needs to analyze the feedback from individuals and integrate this feedback into the corporate messaging platform. This might prove difficult, depending on how the corporate messages are created within an organization.


    2) The messaging platform, or at least organization of messages, is getting increasingly important. With an increase in the number of people communicating about the company, the biggest lever marketing has becomes the message platform.


    The more I think about this, the more I feel that the advertising business will go through another huge shakeup.

    September 16, 2008 at 7:52 AM  
    Blogger Bret Clement said...

    Agree with Craig that there are a number of folks (including product managers, PR people, marketing folks, etc) within an organization who should participate in and analyze social media conversations.

    Generally, this doesn't seem to be happening organically, though. Outside consultants like Page One are seeing an opportunity to tie this all together for their clients.

    September 16, 2008 at 8:28 AM  
    Blogger Craig Oda said...

    Bret, I agree that it isn't happening organically. The more companies we talk to, the more I'm realizing that people need help in monitoring, analysis, and response of social media sites like blogs, Twitter, YouTube. It'll be interesting to see how far tools like Radian6 can go and how much manual work will be needed.

    I agree there appears to be a business opportunity. Go out and get some! :-)

    I did a short posting on my blog about some of the costs I'm seeing for social media services.
    http://is.gd/2GsA

    I imagine that monitoring and response services might be in the $3K to $7K per month range, depending on the level of engagement. Seems like it might be good bang for the marketing buck.

    September 16, 2008 at 9:14 AM  

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